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Continuing.....

(Yes.)

....and making it important, ok?   But you could be if you went for 10 days and didn't have any great anxieties and nothing important, you could study those days, ok?  But the days you study, for goodness sake, just let all that alone, ok?

(Ok.)

That help answer your question all right.  Yes, Miss Debbie?

(In seeing relationships, you referred to the garden and one  has not I’s.  What is the relationship in the garden to the gain and escapes side in  plain speaking?)

Well, it's according to whether we play that consciously or whether we play it unconsciously and start jumpin' around with this.  Do we play it with this kind of being or do we play it with this.    Yeah, consciously, intentionally.

(Is there game playing in the garden.)

Why sure, there's game playing everywheres; but you play it as being considerate and harmless and making a little contribution when you're doing it consciously, ok.  When you're doing it unconsciously, you're playing these games.  Everybody's competing with everybody else.  Everybody’s challenging everybody else; and they wind up with a lot of fights.

(I don't see what the garden is.)

The garden is the playing field honey.  That's the playing  field.  Is it full of weeds? 

(In other words, I guess I was trying to see the garden as a parallel.)

No, the field - - you've always got someplace to play, don't you?

(So then we play the games in the garden as well as ...)

...everywhere's else.  You play the game in the garden, right?  And we're gonna play all kinds of games.  The only thing we're saying is let's play it intentionally and consciously rather than mechanically, ok?  This is a mechanical game.  It's like you wound up a bunch of little tin soldiers and put them with wires out of 'em, turn it on, you know what it's gonna do, it's gonna go with all it's little maneuvers, huh?  This conscious one you would not know what it's gonna do because it is a new and fresh for every second; but we're still gonna play all the same games, ok?  We're still gonna play the traffic game.  We're gonna play the business game.  We're gonna play healing games.  We're gonna play anything and everything, ok?  Ok?  Next question, comment? 

(We experienced a parallel yesterday - - maybe you can tell me . . .)

Ok, it's possible.

(We went across the street to an art museum and there was a “cat” over there who now gets $6,500 a painting who was a beach boy down here not long ago.  The agent showed us his paintings year by year.  He showed us one he did seven years ago; and there is a definite improvement in the quality of painting.  And the thing that impressed me about this is that the guy does them so fast that everybody else in the world thinks he's incredible - - literally does a $6500 painting in three days.  He does the smaller ones three in one day.  So I presume he was in some pretty close contact with X.)

I would say he got one notch above number 8 in the tone scale one day.  After he got to 8, he went one notch above and he paints in that state probably; and he probably doesn't paint except when he's there.

(Now I try to figure what the process was that took him through these steps.)

I would say that gradually he learned ways, himself, to get, at least, enthusiastic, ok.  So he got enthusiastic about painting; and when he gets to painting, X does some pretty good fast stuff on another level there.  The more he can be aware of what he wants to do, the better X can paint.  X does the painting; and the awareness determines what he wants to see in the state of being he cares to be in at that time.  So if he's very enthusiastic with his paining, it can come out very quick.  Now if he's gonna do a lot of frettin' to be sure the masters will approve of these strokes and etc.,  it would  probably have taken years to make a painting like a lot of artists I know.

(So the awareness has enthusiasm ....)

Well he used himself to get enthusiastic, ok; and when he got there, he could be aware of what he wants to put on the canvass, X puts it on there - - and puts in on there in a big hurry.  What's the use of fiddlin' around about it?

(What I can see is I can bring to any such thing is attention and practice.)

That's about right. 

(Is there anything else?)

I think that he paid attention; and I would have to say he was paying attention - - so he paid attention, he could see in his creative imagination - - he could see what he wanted - - so he could see very clearly “what he wants”.  He didn't have to smear some paint on there and then see what he wanted to do; He knew what he wanted the picture to look like.  And when you once know that, X can paint it on there in a very big hurry.  It can slam the paint on there in that pattern, but he has to be able to see clearly what he wants, then X will do the job.  Once you can see clearly what it is you want to do, X can carry it out. 

(Getting enthusiastic.)

...in a state.  Now if you couldn't see clearly, then obviously you're gonna have to use the old Columbus method - - discover a spot and land on it; and with a dab of paint; and then you may not like the way it looked; and so then you have to go cover that up or smear it out or etc. cause I think from watchin' some people who smear paint around, that they have no conception of where they're going or a very foggy one in their head. 

Some others I watched have a very concise picture; and they throw it on there in a hurry.  I know a man in Albuquerque that will turn out a painting this size in a matter of seven to eight hours of working on it.  He may not work continuously.  He may work three hours now and go goof off for an hour and come back and do it.  He gets, on an average, of from five to ten thousand dollars for every one of his paintings; and he can't keep up with the demand.  He  doesn't paint with a brush, he paints with a spatula.  He puts it on there with a spatula, and they're fantastic paintings.  But he can see clearly exactly what he's doing.  If you could take a picture of some way of the inside of his head before he starts, you'd already have the picture there because it's in there complete, concise and down to the point - - ‘cause I've had him tell me about it.  And then he goes does it with his spatula and the gobs of paints, and he throws it on there; and any day he'll turn out a painting - - now he don't do it every day of the week, but he surprisingly works four days a week; and he says it is a bit exhausting - - not because of effort but because of the speed that this stuff goes on.  He finds he's kinda has a let down when X gets through painting the picture; but he knows that something other than him paints.  His job is to see clearly what he wants; and he's got that - - he's has a better creative imagination than most of us.  He just got it, and there's many of them around - - not great numbers but more than 10 that can do that.

(Seems like it could work as well with music, but....)

I'm sure it can because somebody can have it in his head what that music sounds like, he can play it; and I know people who wouldn't know a note from a fly speck on a piece of paper.  They can get something in their head and create a piece of music.  They already hear it; and they know what instruments are used to make it; and they can put it all out for people.  They can't write it themselves because they don't even know the notation system; but they can play it.

(I discovered not long ago when I started going back and playing piano again  - - when I first sat down after 25 years, I was playing things I played back then; but as soon as I looked at the music and decided to get my fingering correct....)

....then it all tangled up.

(I just stumbled.  So are you better off then - - but it seems when you're taught to practice technique, fingering........)

....naturally, so where artists are taught to practice techniques and brushes and paintings - - and these people apparently are not paying much attention.   If you can hear clearly in your head what you want to come out, X will run your fingers around to get it done.

(It’ll even do the fingering correct...)

Well It knows.....it'll do it the way you want to hear it.  If you know how you want to hear it come out, X can do it that way.  Now I couldn't conceive how I wanted it to come out, so the fingers don't do nothin' 'cause I don't have that kind of imagination in here.  I have something else.  You got to hear it in yourself. 

(...not to see it, you'd have to hear it.)

Right, or any other thing.  Now I might could see how some process would work.  I might see how a bunch of things work; and whenever I do, then it goes to work; but if I can't get the picture, it won’t. 

In other words awareness gives X the picture.  Now the clearer I can see, the quicker and more accurate it does this.  If I see sloppily in this, you can call it a creative imagination or whatever word you want, how well you can see determines exactly how well X performs it ‘cause X can do exactly the adequate thing for what it gets, but it's not gonna second guess you and say, "Well, now you should have played that some other way." and go on that.  It will not do that.  It so loves you, it'll do exactly as you say.

(Well apparently, there are some things that you don't know that they're seeing the picture clearly.  The picture's given to them.)

Well, that's right.  That's just as good a way of saying it as any, yeah.  Of course they already saw the picture, but they like to use - - you know - -  we all have our pet ways of saying things.  I know some people want to make everything very deep and mysterious, mystical, esoteric.  I try to keep it down to the country boy stuff.

(They just wake up and they see the picture...)

Well, I know they see the picture and then they can paint it.  So he didn't try to, either, he just suddenly got a picture - - I don't know how he gets the picture in his head; but whatever he did, X does according to the picture.  And maybe the man has the picture clearly in his head where he says he just woke up and it was in his head or maybe he saw something and decided he would paint it, whatever; but he had to have a picture in his head before X puts it down fast; and it does it all the time for anybody who can see clearly. 

Now that's one of those numbers up there somewheres is the ability to see clearly inside your head; and so whether a person says they woke up with it or whatever; it always is spontaneous - - the person didn't usually take little pieces and build it in their head. 

Now another person learns technique so far as they make lines.  Then they paint them over and put another line and they're going by that technique; and the picture never really  gives you a deep feeling like the ones done by the people  that can see clearly - - not only is it visually attractive to look at, but it gives you a very decided feeling; and that's why we call certain paintings hung in museums - - museum quality.  They give you a feeling as well as seeing something that is attractive, is that right?   So they give a feeling or they wouldn't be hung there, is that right - - basically? 

(Well, this seeing clearly would carry over into any reporting you do?)

That's absolutely correct, if you can't see clearly, then you're just rattlin' a bunch of words. Right?

(And this is what you were saying to Beth when she said about adding things on....)

Adding on is not seeing clearly so keep separate pictures - - report them separately instead of keep adding on.  If I see something clearly, that's what I want.  Say that I see something and I say, "That's what I want."  Ok?  Then I can see that clearly; but if I start building up ideals, I'm not seeing it very clearly; I’m building more and more illusionary fuzzy, foggy things.  I have all kinds of little bits and pieces of paper on the desk where people will ask for two and three pages of things.  They're trying to figure out the ideal; and they obviously can't see it very clearly.  Yes?

(And I suppose that's why when someone tells you that they’re ill, you see the completed picture, and X goes ahead and operates on it.)

X operates on my picture instead of the fuzzies, right?

(Is it possible, I guess, to see a picture clearly; but have no desire to be bothered with it.)

Right, then you just enjoyed the picture.

(You got to have desire to paint as well as the picture.)

That's exactly right.  Desire to actualize it or motivation of some sort which is desire to actualize it.  Now I've seen lots of pretty pictures in my head that I never felt inclined to run paint them.  I just enjoyed them and go on about my business. 

I've heard pretty sounds in my head and I had no desire to run out and put it on paper or hammer some instrument around because I don't know how, so I just enjoyed it and went on down the way. 

One time I heard - - now this is purely accidental - - I was walking along one day; and I heard a lot of music go through my head.  Well, it went four different days in a row, the same bit.   I don't know how to produce it or don't know what kind of instruments it takes or anything else, but it was very pretty.  About a year later, a song came out called Caravan, and I immediately recognized it.  It had been through my head before, but I didn't know anything to do with it.  So it tried it on me - - I couldn't do nothing with it, so it gave it to somebody else and he put it down.  (Laughter)  But I heard Caravan a year before it was ever brought out - - perfect.  Now I didn't know what to do with it.  It sounded pretty to me, I enjoyed it.  I enjoyed it after they put it on a record.  Enjoyed it either way.  I still enjoy it.  Now, I guess if I had been trained enough to know how to produce those sounds I was listening to into something or even had any inclination to, I might have done something with it; but I just enjoyed it.  I bought the record when it came out; but I already had it in my head.

(So it just popped into your head, and you didn't have any..........)

I was just floatin’ along feeling fantastically well; and I hear a song.  I didn't name it - - somebody else did that.  I just heard it; but boy when it came out and I did hear it, I sure did recognize it; and there wasn't a beat different in it - - not a one.  But I didn't capitalize on it; I just enjoyed it and went on.  Somebody else probably made a lot of money off of it because Caravan was very popular for a while, wasn’t' it?  And it was very pretty to me.

(I'll use the word “heard” because I don't know what else to use, but have you ‘heard” things that you almost had a compulsion to have to go do something about.)

That is absolutely correct  - - or not do something about - - one way or the other.  Sometimes it was not to do.  I’ve started somewheres in a car and all of a sudden I couldn’t go any further; and I turn around and go back and then I feel all right, you know.  I’ve been to the airport and started to get on an airplane and I had a very decided feeling that I’m not getting on that airplane.  I had a ticket in my pocket and ready to go up and check in - - I didn’t go.  And the plane went down in a corn field.  It didn’t hurt anybody - - it inconvenienced everybody - - didn’t hurt anybody - - just inconvenienced them.  I wasn’t on it; but I had a ticket.

So I listen to those little things, but I don’t go around telling about  any great value on them; and I wouldn’t consider myself mystical or psychic or any of those - - we have the psychics right down the hall here.  He came in to visit for a while - - very great one. 

(He asked a few questions.)

Yes, to find out something while he’s here - - find out what’s going on after he got here.  Ok, any other question, comments here.  Joann what are you doing back there.

(I’m listening.)

Who’s got a something for a minute?  Over here.  Debbie?

(Sometimes I get a little bit confused about reporting.  I mean when we just say things without thinking sometimes. If we say with emotion, would you say we’re reporting.)

That’s all probability.  People do it all the time. 

(So we really have to watch what we say.)

Well, I wouldn’t make a big issue out of that.  I just would not talk to much Debbie.  In other words when you say you want something, mean it - - don’t just rattle - - you know - - it’s very frequent that people call me up to ask me to make up my mind about something, ok?  So I try to go through with them - - now this is what you really want?  They say “Yeah”.  And in 24 hours they’re changing it, and in another 48 hours it’s changed again.  I was in there on the phone a while ago being told to change the whole durn thing; and they no longer wanted what they absolutely told me was “absolutely what they wanted”.   So I said, “Well, have you told me to quit yet?”  “Well, no, I don’t know whether to do that or not - - I’m in confusion.”  So most people don’t know what they want, so obviously as long as they’re double minded, they’re not reporting anything.  So more than likely, accidentally, you don’t report much - - it’s double minded and nothing  pays any attention to it anyway.  So I don’t believe I’d waste any time worrying about that Debbie.  I’d hunt up a better thing to worry about.

(Well, you know sometimes the resident’s talking and says, “Gee, I can’t find a job” or thinkin’ ….)

Oh well, that’s very true.  Well, as long as they are living by that, they’re reporting that, and, right then, they can’t find a job.  They’re just sitting there shootin’ the breeze, is that right?  So they’re double minded.  They say, “I’m gonna get a good job, BUT….”.  You know when you hear “but”, you know it’s double minded and forget it, ok?  “But” cancels out the first part of the sentence; and still cancels out the second side too because you could put the two statements on either side of the “but”.  So most the people don’t report hardly anything at all, much less anything dangerous, ok?  Ok.

(Bob, you said before that X operates when we report with feeling….)

Yes, not words.  The words can be there, but it’s the feeling that counts.  It’s like in the song, the words are there, but they don’t give you any feeling unless there’s a melody goes with it, ok.

(But now, you know people take advantage of suggestion like they have experimented with like putting the word Coca Cola is very whatever.   You know….)

Subliminal advertising.

(And people run with it…)

I don’t know whether they do or not, I don’t know whether it had any effect or not.

(But I’m wondering sometimes if a person is in a situation that is very aggravating - - perhaps they’re in a relationship and they are reporting “I am serene” while all this is going on.  But I’m wondering if ….)

They’re lying then……

(The frame of reference within that says, “Look, if somebody is banging on you, there is no way to be serene.”  So even though you are saying it……..)

You’re talking about what’s ordinarily called positive thinking….

(You actually think, I’m experiencing serenity while this is going on, but it seems to me that something within the being - - a frame of reference is….)

….says you’re not …..   Well, I would say that what you’re talking about is that the person is really trying to convince themselves.  That’s what’s ordinarily called positive thinking.  So somebody has a severe headache and they’re saying, “I don’t’ have a headache”.  “I don’t have a headache”.  “I feel wonderful.”  “I feel wonderful.”  “I don’t have a headache.”  And that’s a bunch of junk.

(Well, I’m wondering if sometimes…)

First, go ahead and “intentionally have the headache” and then you can take charge of it; but you see positive thinking is really a way to convince yourself of something you know is not true; and that’s hard as hell to do.

(Well, I’m wondering if sometimes a person is in a situation and is reporting for a remedy - - um - - it might be more to that person’s advantage to walk away from the situation.)

More than likely for them to begin to act it and quit talking about it, ok? 

(Yeah.)

Talking is where it would have a little value.  See we’re never talking about somebody sitting “repeating something”  or saying they are - - we’re talking about acting it out first, is that right?  And the first thing….

(They can’t fool themselves.)

You sure can’t kid yourself.  You may kid me, but you can’t kid yourself, ok? 

(Yeah.)

You can come in here and say..

(…..It’ll come out in some way…..)

It’s gonna come some way because you can’t kid yourself, ok.  You can’t make yourself believe something you know is not true.  You may make me believe it; but you couldn’t’ make yourself believe it, ok?

(Because there is a level within the person….)

Well, certainly - - it says, “that’s not true”.  So you can say anything, but you can’t always make it work, ok? 

(What way would it come out?)

Who knows, but some kind of turmoil - - it’d be conflict, so conflict is the only human problem.  So you can put yourself in conflict by knowing that you’re very agitated, but on the outside repeating words or trying to kid yourself that you’re very serene.  Why not take charge and say, “I’m agitated and I’m gonna be in charge - - I’m gonna get more agitated.”  Then you can go do it. 

So first you have to take charge.  And a lot of people try to do it with auto-suggestion and it doesn’t work very well, ok?

(With adaptations, some of them are short and some of them last longer.)

Well, adaptations continue as long as they are needed.   Yesterday, we had on the board about the vicious cycle and we pointed out that we could keep it running for a lifetime; but if we could be free to experience it and see it as an adaptation, it’s usually over in 72 hours.  But, you see, most people do not see it that way, and they can go on week in, week out, year in and year out, ok?  You want me to go over the vicious cycle again Ruth.

(No I don’t.  And if you realize it, then you usually can keep from…..)

Well, most people don’t find adaptions useful because we’ve all been conditioned that there’s things up here floatin’ around called diseases; and that they look down out of their heavenly abode and they see you and they say, “There’s Ruth, I think I’ll bite her.”  That was one called arthritis, so it comes down and bites you.  And that’s one named anemic, and so they’re gonna bite somebody else.  And there’s another one called migraine, and they jump on somebody else.  Then you get a diagnosis and use the appropriate weapons to run it off - - which never works, but sometimes you can cut the organ out .  They have a sure cure for migraine, but very few people use it.   (Laughter) 

(Huh?)

Cut your head off - - you can’t have a headache without your head; but you see, neither could you pay the bill, so they very rarely recommend to cut it off.  Now other things hurt and they cut those out, but when your head hurts, they hardly ever say, cut it off.  But it would make just as much sense usually speaking, ok?

(Is all sickness adaptations?  I was talking to Melba about something way back, and I didn’t understand it so maybe this is an opportunity to….)

Well, you want me to talk on health situations for a minute?

(Yes, about when I feel run down or weak.)

Well, that’s easy.  There is four things that every human is involved  with.  First is the environment, which is all sorts of obnoxious things, come in.  You can get jolts, jars, falls.  You can pick up bacteria that’s not very pleasant to live with; and you could pick up viruses or you could eat poisonous food or something like that.  Now that will make you ill for the time being, but that gets over in a hurry - - self limited.

You can have an inner feeling.  Now the inner feeling varies up and down with people from panicsville to fear, to apathy, to joy, to enthusiasm, whathaveyou.

You have nutrition, you’re always eating something. 

And you also have some activity. 

So these are balanced by your “state of being”.  Now most people wonder about the “state of being” and try to do something to change it with pills potions and whathaveyou.  We really feel that doesn’t do a whole lot of good except very temporary. 

Now some things happen to you from the environment and are worked on - - you need someone outside yourself.  That’s where the physicians can do somthing - - if you got a leg cut, why you need the physician to stitch it up.  You got an invasionary force from the environment that overcomes the natural internal resistance force whether it’s a bug or whatever it may be.

Inner feeling is under your control.  Now the best we can see that an optimum feeling is to be somewheres from serene to enthusiastic, ok?  That’s the best we can see.  Now you can do that.  Very few people do, but you could. 

Nutrition is probably varies a little from each of us.  It’s probably very individualized.  You can allow yourself to get hungry, and X will tell you what to eat.  It reports several things that would be real good for the body.  Now if you're eating from some other reason, no telling what you would eat, is that right?  Might eat Twinkies and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, who knows? 

The activity is also rather individualized.  Some people want to be very active and some are not super happy at being very active; but nevertheless, it needs at least enough to move every joint and every muscle at least once a day.  Now that, I said, is the minimum for any of us, huh? 

(You can do that without getting out of bed?)

Well that's true, you could do that without getting out of bed, you could stretch so you could move every joint and every muscle at least once a day.  Now a lot of people don't do that, even though they get up and go to work and drive cars and whathaveyou; but that would be the minimum amount of exercise or activity that anybody should involve themselves in - - move every joint and every muscle in the body at least once a day.  Now some people feel terrible if they don't do a whole lot of physical activity, and some people probably feel terrible if they did a lot, right Pat?  So that's an individualized situation; but at least what is optimum for you can be recognized by you if you just pay a little attention. 

 

Now if each of these were optimum, this is bound to be optimum.  If these are far from optimum, the state of being is going to be far from optimum.  Now you get a diagnosis’s and treatments and everything based on the state of being, not on these.  Very few at times is this looked at? 

Now I studied a branch of the healing art called homeopathy many years ago; and the basic statement was that before you prescribe any remedy, no matter what kind, you remove the obstruction to cure. 

In fact, I even wrote a paper on it.  I probably still have a copy of it around somewheres that before you prescribe any remedy, no matter what it would be - - whether it would be a diet or whether it would be a medication or whether it would be a manipulation or whatever it would be, that before you prescribe a remedy, you remove the obstructions to cure. 

Now I've found that if you remove the obstructions to cure, you didn't need the remedy.  Bein as lazy as I am, that saved a lot of energy.  So the obstruction to cure is that the body can be distorted or toxic from something from the environment.  So you remove that interference. 

The inner feeling is usually in a state that is not conducive to well being.  Regarding nutrition is to go until the person can find that they get hungry and see what it is they want to eat.  And activity is whatever feels good to the individual; but at least if we get too inertia bound that we do, at least, deliberately stretch enough to move at least every muscle and joint in the body at least once a day.  Now if that goes on, that is taking it toward optimum, this goes toward optimum and remedies seem to become rather unnecessary out there because you have got the essentials of persons being toward optimum. 

Now in the usual situation, we find that all of these are minus to a great degree being optimum.  So then the state of being of the person, the physical health is far from being what you could call optimum.  But balance is the law of the universe and it goes on there; and those are all areas that any one of us by paying a minimum amount of attention can do something about.  Right Ruth?  Just a minimum amount of attention.  You don't have to be totally concerned with health all the time.  You can just take a little time to kind of look at that and see - - well, let's take this towards optimum.  And it's not so hard to achieve, is it? 

And nutrition can be fairly easy and simple and enjoyable and nothing outrageous or anything that you have to eat nothing but alfalfa sprouts - - you can get along on a lot of things; and they all taste pretty good.  And the activity is - - some people - - you like a lot of activity?  Some of the rest of us like a minimum amount.  You know you can usually look around and see who likes the minimum amount and who likes the maximum amount; but I enjoy a lot of things; but, you know, I really don't get excited about it. 

And the inner feeling, certainly we can all take charge of that - - that's what we spent this whole week working on is that you can take charge of your inner state. 

Now if I was gonna put percentage points on these, I would look according to the part of the world we live in, so where we live it would be about 70% on inner feeling, about 10% on the environment, about 10% on activity, and about 10% on nutrition.  That's just a guesstamate because each individual may be altogether different; but on the average of seeing 1,000 people, I think you’d find that was about a rating that the stresses occurred 70% here, 10% here, 10% here and 10% here. 

I never assume that it is any one of those - - I try to see if I was going to work with a person to check all four of them to see if they all went toward optimum.  I have no way of knowing that the state of being is related to this one, or this one, or this one, or this one so I look at all four of 'em.  I think that's what could have been called holistic health.  As it was,  it turned out to be that every conceivable form of treatment was throwed in hoping some of 'em would work.  So they started off with a good idea and ruined it; so I don't get involved in that anymore.  But I did go around and see what they were doing for a while. But that's just what it would have been - - holistic meaning the whole man.  And every whole man is involved with an environment, an inner feeling, nutrition and an activity - - every one of us, right?  And if we get those too far from optimum, we are ill. 

Now we can adapt with it being away from optimum a little bit.  I doubt if any of us are optimum any one place on there; but we're pretty close some of us.  And consequently we feel disgustingly well - - horrifying to the doctors.  Ok?  That cover your question a little bit?

(All right, but if you have stress and you have an adaptation and that throws that out of balance....)

Well, the very moment you stress those, stress means that  it’s far away - - quite a ways from optimum.  Any one of these far away from optimum is called stress, ok? 

(Ok.)

You get 'em, any one of the three or a combination thereof, and then you will adapt which is what the symptoms are - - a normal adaptation to a stressful situation is called various symptoms.  Now if you should be aware of what a symptom is and be happy for it to be there; and don't fight with it, it will be over within 72 hours anyway.  But if you fight with it, you can keep it goin' because you've made more “false inner feelings” stressful and you keep it going and going and going and going.  It can go on for years.

I used to take little kids, back when I was seeing about people, and I put a head up here and I put a big round body down here and I put some legs on it and I would tell those little kids - - now did you know that when you get a kind of an upset stomach, there's a bunch of little guys in here; and when you get somethin' in there that they can't handle real well, they sometimes have to shovel it out.  So now when you feel like they're shoveling on things, you go in and lay down and let the little men work. 

The kids understood that; and if they had a headache, we said there was little guys in there tying knots and strings and they needed some time to work.  Now go lay down and tell your mother, “Now I want to lay down, the little men's workin'”.  The kids caught on in a hurry - - the old folks never did catch on.  The kids will go up and say, "Mama, there's a bunch of little guys workin' on me and I'm gonna lay down and let 'em have it."  And they go lay down a few minutes and they was all right in two or three hours; but mama - - aw, she knew too much, and so she knew she should go get a diagnosis, huh? 

(Get an aspirin.)

Oh yeah probably a few aspirin to “get it well”.  The kid said, the little guys are workin' in there.  I had a lot of little pictures of stick guys all around doin' things - - they understood that, you know - - they could feel those little guys in there churnin' things around, so they got out of the way and let them do it.  But we're too smart for that, right Ruth?  We know too much.  But the kids got along just beautifully.  They're adaptations usually lasted an hour or an hour and a half, something like that.  Than they was all right because they were happy with it to go on - - they wanted them to shovel it out or whatever was needed to be done.  And when they got sleepy, I showed them the little guys had ropes that held the eyelids up.  When they get tired they laid down and your eyelids fall shut; so you don't need to go take a wakey pill or anything - - just go to sleep, so what?  You'll wake up in 15 minutes feeling refreshed anyway.

(I did)

That’s right.

Ok next point?  You said how to be sick?

(Run down, weak and miserable.)

Well all I gotta do is start acting like I'm weak, run down and miserable.  Now if anybody would like to experiment with this, you walk for the next two hours during the lunch break saying and acting "Oh I sure am getting tired"  sigh, sigh, sigh. “I don’t know if I got enough good sleep…..” Sigh, sigh, sigh.   You can feel that way in a few minutes - - you'll be staggering, you can't even get your feet to track in a few minutes.  So all you got to do is act the part there just like you act any other way.  And it's awful easy to act “sad and woebegone and miserable” - - all sorts of terrible things are going on in this world.   They're having storms, the economy's upset, the crops are failing - - go in there and read the newsletter we got yesterday.  Some guy sent me a newsletter and everything's going wrong. 

Some guy called me from Denver a while ago and said, "I heard that you had somethin' to do with a resort out in Jamaica?"  I said, "Well, news travels fast, how'd that get there?"  He said, "Well, somebody called me."  He said, "Have you heard the news this mornin'."  I said, "I haven't read a paper in weeks."  He said, "That whole island is wiped off."  And I said, "I'll bet with you some of its still standing straight up."  He said, “You’ll see, it’s all gone - - that is all there is to it - - you don't have nothin; down there - - you don't even have vacant space there anymore - - it's all wiped out.” 

(He had a job to tell you all about it.)

Well, he felt good to get to call me up and tell me what was goin' on.  I said, "Well, I haven't seen the news - - I haven't seen the television - - and I haven't listened to a radio; and I haven't read a paper; so I didn't even know there was a storm."  So as far as I'm concerned there isn't one.  I don't know about it.  So if I don't know about it, it don't hurt me.  Huh?  Oh I don't imagine everything's all blowed up and gone.

(I don’t either.)

 I've been in a few hurricanes and you know, I'm still here.  It was a little wet in places.  Ok, what's the next subject here?

(How to fail in business.)

How to fail in business.  Go in undercapitalized and don't keep books.  How will that work Neal?  Neal and I are experts on goin' into businesses that don't work.  How would that be? 

(I think that would....)

That would help.  And another thing is have at least two people trying to run it - - that's one of the better ones, ok?  Don't have any head; and you have two people trying to run it and them in competition with each other - - each one trying to prove who's in charge, ok?  That'll help.  Another thing is hope that people will come and buy what you have without lettin' them know you're there.  That’ll help a lot.  There's more ways to fail than there is to succeed little lady, ok?  There’s more ways to fail than there is to succeed.   I believe the statement is that three out of four new businesses started failed in the first two years.  That about right?

(Yeah, very high mortality rate.)

Very high mortality.  Infant businesses hardly make it there.  First place they're usually underfinanced and another thing, they didn't know whether there was a market for what they were going into business for.  They had an idea and fell in love with the idea. 

So if I were gonna give the prime one, I would say it's falling in love with an idea.  It's a wonderful thing to have an idea; but they all should be treated with great suspicion that maybe they're not right; and so you go out and check 'em out very diligently to see that they're valid.  That way you would save an awful lot of the mortality in business.  Is that probably about right, Neal?  Huh?  People have a wild idea of something and they immediately fall in love with it; and they just couldn't give it up; and I've watched people struggle with their pet idea for 18, 20 years sometimes as long as they could keep on getting a little more financing, a little more financing - - it's gonna go soon - - just ready to take off.  But they never checked it out to see if there was a market for such thing or if there was a market whether it was already being well supplied.  So they have an idea and immediately go "Pheuuuuu" and that's the only way to go.

(Bob, that's an interesting analogy - - that’s why they call them “brain children”; because people treat 'em like they're children.)

Right and really defend them ........

(They think they’re perfect, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with 'em.)

And not only that, they will spend anything they can get on 'em.  Right.  And they're called “brain children”; and I think this is the major source of it because an awful lot of 'em wouldn't be started if these ideas were really checked out first to see if they were valid rather than romantic and so forth, ok?

(Bob, it can possibly be an area of confusion, I think, for “people in the work” who maybe want to start a business and they would have difficulty deciding “what is” and think if I make up my mind I got the power of the universe behind me.)

Right, you would have the power of the universe, but it's still affected when you start off on a weird idea, it usually is pitiful.

(But I mean like right now things are going fine with the houses I build; but like if there was a lot of difficulties, there would be a tendency to think, "Well if I really make up my mind this thing will go.)

Well, we like to be a little realistic about that.  We give it a certain length of time.  It's like going to Las Vegas. You got $85.  You're willing to spend that for your evening; but when it's gone, quit.  Don't start digging around in the rent money and so forth to get even.

(There's a point....)

The point that says, this idea was sick to begin with, ok?

(But like I'm not really building houses.)

Well, that's a good business because there's obviously a market for good houses.  They're all over the place - - that you can check out and see.  So there is a market for 'em and you like to build 'em and; you build nice ones, so you just keep on building 'em. 

But now if you suddenly got a wild idea to build dirigibles, you might better do a little marketing survey first before you start sinking all your money into building dirigibles because I haven’t' seen too many of 'em flying around lately, ok?  I've seen the Goodyear blimp; and that's about it.  It's not really a dirigible; but I know a guy who fell in love with the idea of building a dirigible over in Arizona; and he started away on it and about the time he got one frame about to please him, a storm came up and tore it up.  And then he went back at it again; and that time something else happened and it was torn up.  So he still doesn't have his dirigible yet; but I think if he got it done, he'd find a hard time finding somebody to buy it, ok?  Ok.  So it's one thing to build houses.  We can see there is a market for those.  There's another thing to go out startin' building dirigibles. 

I know a guy who got a big wild idea that he would build a car-plane.  He made an airplane that you could drive like a car and the wings rode on the side of it in slots; and when you got to the airport, you could put the wings on and fly away.  He made a few of 'em at great expense to himself and some other people that invested in it and thought the idea was wonderful too; and they've never been able to sell one in 12 years.

(Can it fly?)

Yeah.  It'll fly and it'll drive; but it's the weirdest lookin' thing you've ever seen in all your days and it neither flies very good nor drives on the road very well, ok? 

I also know some people who made  a little car that would putts right across the bay.  They sold four of 'em; but they spent several million makin' those four; and they had to sell them for $6,000 a piece; and they all sunk after a short length of time. 

(All of 'em?)

Yeah, all of 'em.  They got rust in the door and so forth.  They run 'em in salt water and they rusted; but they had two little propellers stickin' out the back and two wheels on the ground.  They looked kind of funny, but they would do what they said they would do.  But a friend of mine got one and he started across the bay about like this one out here; and before he got over to the other side, he capsized.  So it was a good thing he knew how to swim.  But it was quite a widget.  Kay was involved in that deal. 

(Oh he was?)

Oh yeah, they tried to get him to take on the next one for the distributorship of it.  He was a little smarter than that, he didn't take it on.  Ok another question, comment? 

(So what's really going on here?)

What's going on here?  We're having a big party and there's gobs of games bein' played and very few of the guests caught on to what's happening; and they think they're in a mad house and that there's no tellin' what's gonna go on.

(Oh yeah.)

And they haven't the foggiest idea it's a party or that they are a privileged invited guest or that the other people are guests or that there is a Host; and so they're very confused with it as a general speaking, ok?  And a few that can see what's going on are having a ball.  Ok?

(Ah, the purpose of the party is to have a ball, right?)

Well, that's what they put on the party for; and you see according to the story about this party put on, was that the guests that were invited didn't come and so they hauled in a bunch of other sleeping people - - they were a bunch of winos and whathaveyou.  So they dragged  them in and these sleeping people woke up at the party; and consequently have never caught on to what was goin' on.  So that's fairly easy to see what's goin' on here, ok?  A big party and very few of the guests know that it's a party, ok?  So they do behave rather peculiarly being at a party and not knowin' they're there.  They think it's everything except a party, that correct? 

(Very serious...)

Very serious business and that they've got to struggle through it; and maybe they'll make it for a few years before they get kicked out of the party, ok?

(Maybe that’s why nobody is enthusiastic - - they don’t know it’s a party ....)

That's right.  I think, and so I'm tryin' to tell 'em as fast as possible, Miss Margaret, that it is a party and trying to demonstrate that it is; and that if you see what's going on, you have a wonderful time.  If you don't see what's goin' on, I can see it's kind of a nightmare.  I can see that, ok?  That answer your’s all right - - rather quickly.  So that's what's going on here.  So the great teachers have said that’s the whole thing that anybody could do - - and the most enlightened thing you could do is “you could see what's going on here”.  So that puts you in a good position, ok?  You can see what's going on here.  Can you see what's going on here?

(Yes.)

And it's kind of fun, isn't it? 

(Well, sometimes we go someplace where a lot of strange things are going on even when you look at it from the standpoint of a party; it does look like it's a real madhouse….)

Well, can you imagine what would happen if you put on a party, then you sent me out to gathered up a bunch of sleepin' people; and brought 'em in and dropped them there and they woke up there.  Wouldn't they all think it was a madhouse with all these games that people play and all these things goin' on; and they don't know the rules of the game.  They don't know that it is a game and they don't know the rules - - they don't know who the officials are; and they don't know what the rewards or penalties are.  So obviously it does look like a madhouse at times - - so I would say that was right. 

Now sometimes when you look at the party, Marge, it reminds one of the little kid’s game they used to play called "Pin the tail on the donkey" right?  And the only difference is that in this case they blindfold everybody and give 'em all a pin with a tail; and nobody knows where the donkey is and so they start pokin' each other tryin' to find the donkey to pin the tail on it; and the ones that get poked blames the ones that poked them.  And the ones that do the pokin' blame the others for bein' in their way to keep 'em from gettin' the prize.

(Right.)

So now if you really want to see what's going on, it's a game called “pin the tail on the donkey”; and you blindfold all the players at once.  Now in the usual way they play, they blindfold them one at a time and the rest of 'em could laugh; you see, because they knew it was a party.

(Are there inner and outer schools now?)

Oh why naturally, LIfe is.  On the outside we're just talking a lot of things; but on the inside, we're really doing something.

(That's good.  I wanted to know whether there were schools where there were people together.)

Yep, always is.  Wherever there is a person who can elucidate the ideas, there is a school - - no matter where it is or what it's called.  And it always has its inner and outer aspects regardless of whether it was even intended that way or not, ok? 

(Yes.)

It always has that.

(All right, with regard to the Masons - - the Masons were a secret society.)

Well, I've heard tell that they're outward line was to build a cathedrals and the inside was to build a completed human being.  In other words, have an “integrated being” which is a little reversed from putting a building together because in putting a building together, you get a lot of material and put it together to build something; and to get an integrated man, you throw away a lot of junk 'til you get down to where the person isn't struggling towards illusions and what's left is the integrated person; but basically it is those sort of things. 

So there has been many many different ways of having a working school which is that on the outside they were engaged in some occupation like building or whathaveyou, ok?  Chemistry or whathaveyou.  The inner aspect of it was that they were working to make a completed human being - - one without misconceptions; therefore, there would be one that was not struggling toward illusions, ok? 

(Um hum.)

It's always the same thing, so it wouldn't matter how many or how few or whether it's today or a thousand years ago or two thousand years ago or ten thousand years ago - - it doesn't make any difference.  The very nature of the set up makes it work that way.

(Well did the Masons became an orthodoxy?)

I don't know, I haven't been around them long so I wouldn't know.  Basically, they left doin' the outer thing which was building things and tried to make it a philosophy.  And when you get a philosophy, you then have an orthodoxy - - 'cause if I agree with the philosophy, then I'm in; and if I should find some flaw in there somewheres or say I don't want to bother with it, then I'm thrown out.  It would be the same difference.  Same with all other things.

(Um hum.)

So it all goes on.  It only tells you about how it works and it doesn't matter if it was long ago or today, ok?  Its doin' the same thing.

(Doin’ the work?)

Right.  It comes up whether you are doing it.  Ok, the work is necessary. 

Debbie?  Anything, just come by you, it seemed a good time.  You haven’t got one at this time.  Ok I’ll go around to where there is another one, ok?   Yes?

(Travelers and trippers)

Travelers and trippers, ok; well, we’ll try to work on that one a little bit.  A person who is free or is an integrated individual is called a traveler in some language.  So is that all right?  It doesn't mean we'd always have to use that term; but in some lingo it is.  So a traveler is not going anywheres in particulars, he's traveling; and this is generally given as a symbol of the traveler; and it doesn't matter whether he's here or here or here or here or here or what's going on there because he is on the “path” or “way” and he is living it, he's not tryin' to get to an “end” somewheres.  In other words he doesn't have a goal. 

Now we mentioned yesterday about the fourth wise man, huh?  Now he was a traveler.  So his compadres started at point A and went to point B; and then their chore was done.  Now that's a person on a trip, ok?  Now the trip has a definite aim or something to do to accomplish; and so they were to see a certain person when they got there and they did that.  Now it doesn't matter whether the path went this way or that; but it started here and went to point B.

There is no point A, no start and no finish for the traveler.  So if he came along here and he found a poor old guy laying there that was burnin' up with fever and nobody to look after him and out in the desert, he stopped, took care of him and that was it.  He was just a traveler anyway.  And he went on and he found some little girl bein' sold into slavery, so he took some object that he had that would purchase her and bought her and then set her free - - it doesn't make any difference.  Now he didn't see any obstructions to his purpose. 

Now if anything happened along here, the tripper would be very impatient or very upset with it - - would possibly say it was so necessary to get to point B over here and complete what he set out to do that he would have ignored the sick old guy laying beside the road or the girl being sold into slavery or an animal being mistreated.  He even bought a donkey along the way because the man was beatin' the donkey and not feedin' it and so forth.  Now the person on the trip, or the tripper, couldn't stop and be bothered with all that.  He has to be on his way. 

The traveler sees whatever's here.  So if it stops him and requires that he be here for three weeks, so what, he is not intervened, he is a traveler and he is now at that particular place; and he's does what seems to be there to do, ok?  And so he is not coming from any one spot nor going to any.  There's no A and B.  And I think this is a sign of infinity.  He is a completed man and is a person and is no longer looking for a given destination or a goal.  He is not tryin' to gain something or get something.  He is doing something.  So he's traveling and whatever presents itself at any given spot, that's what he does; and he knows no interference or second force, ok?  That help answer it ok so far, so good?  All right. 

The world is full of trippers and very few travelers, ok?  Lots of folks is on a little trip.  They're on a trip to be integrated or to be whole or complete.  This guy says, "Well, I'm doing alright, right here - - I can take care of this sick old man here or I can buy this slave girl - - girls being sold into slavery or I can take care of this donkey or whatever’s there - - that’s the thing to do, and that’s the person who truly is ”on the path” as it’s commonly called.  And he’s not headed anywhere.  Most people say they’re on the path - - they’re headed for a given accomplishment or some goal or some prize or something down the way; and those we call trippers and they are not travelers of “the way”.  That suit you all right Miss Margaret?

(I like that.)

You’ve been there huh?

(I haven’t heard that one.)

Well, I know you hadn’t heard it - - It’s been around for a long time - - I have it written where it was transcribed out of a talk we gave 10 years ago or so - - so it’s been around a long time.  Now are you a traveler - -yes - - and you take care of whatever shows up here and there’s no such thing as an interference, no such thing as second force - - nobody’s interfering with you - - that’s just what showed up there that day. 

I would say this story we read about the Good Sam - - he was a traveler.  He was a traveler.  The other guys mentioned in the story were all trippers.  They were headed somewhere,  and they couldn’t be bothered with a guy beat up and layin' there in the ditch - - who’s got time to stop?

(There are a lot of travelers in the Sufi stories.)

Yes, there is a Sufi story told of two guys were travelin’ and they came by a tree and the traveler said he heard some of the  ants down there that seemed to be tangled up with a big rock - - maybe they ought to dig it up and open it for the ants; and this tripper was in a big hurry to get on his trip. The tripper kept insisting - - “we can’t stop here and fiddle with a durn anthill.” “We got to go on.” 

And then they came to a tree and he heard bees singing in it and he said that the bees had something wrong goin’ on;  and if they could just open the tree, they could get a lot of honey and besides also be a lot of assistance to the bees - - and the tripper said, who can bother with that. 

And this went on until at a teahouse that night, another bunch of people caught up with them.  They, too, had come across the ants, and they dug down in there found great gobs of gold that the ants couldn’t get around. 

And so now the tripper was all upset because this guy wouldn’t have him stop - - you know - - hadn’t insisted on it.  The traveler did insist - - “we stop here and take care of this”.  Same thing with the bees, it had a great gobs of somethin’ else in it ; and there was endless number of things that the tripper was in such a hurry; but the traveler kept sayin’, “Well it says, let’s do this - - it’s here at hand - - we don’t know what’s over there.”  And the other guy wouldn’t stop - - so, yes, it’s a very common story of the travelers and the trippers.  I just get it down where you don’t have to interpret it.  I just figure - - you know - - that most people is not into the interpreting business these days or seeing what the subtle point is - - that it is describing a traveler and a tripper settin’ off together.

There’s another one that‘s a very interesting story that is told of Zadig, the Babalonian.  Zadig set off with a traveler.  Zadig was a tripper and he set off with a hermit who was a dirty old man who was the traveler.  And they had quite a number of experiences and you can find that book laying around most anywhere’s - - It’s called “The Hermit” about Zadig the Babylonian - - Banoza wrote it or somebody like that.  I don’t know - - somebody.  [Caravan of Dreams by Idrias Shah]  Anyway it’s available. 

But it is a most interesting thing to keep in mind as to what am I doing?  Am I a traveler or am I just running on a little spasmodic trips out here.  The traveler has a great joy and is a completed being and experiences no frustrations, has no obstructions to his way. 

The tripper has nothing but obstructions and struggle to get to where he’s going and he has nothing when he gets there.  Want to be a traveler?

(Right.)

Ok, good.  Take care of whatever presents itself at the moment.  'Cause I wasn’t goin’ anywhere’s anyway, I was just traveling.  And the traveler is on the road of infinity - - the other is on a very limited time road - - the end’s right here, ok? 

Ok next question comment.  Thank you for that one.  Phillip said thank you for that one.   We don’t talk about it unless you bring it up - - that’s the rules of the game today is you bring it up; we’ll try to go into it.  Albert, you got anything you want to talk about.

(I think this could also apply to a business - - that a business might just be an experiment with no end.)

I hope it don’t end unless I can sell the thing somewhere.  I hate to go broke - - that’s the only other way it ends. 

(There was something in the teaching that was relating this kind of theory that you had said about applying it to a business - - he said how you taught him not to have a goal or end in mind - - to see his business like a …..)

….like a living being running - - as an experiment.  You can run it as long as you want to, yeah?  So how is he getting along?

(I thought there was more that you could elaborate on.)

I don’t see how I could - - you already told it all.  Thank you. 

(Would you talk about suggestibility.)

Ok - - suggestibility is when a person is - - we could use the same one here.  A guy going from A to B, and the other guy that’s going here - - the traveler.  The traveler’s not suggestible because he’s not trying to get to a goal.

But now if I had a goal or an ideal down the road and you told me there was some way to get it  that you’d heard of, huh?   Then I’d be very quick to buy the suggestion that you laid out. 

But if I’m just traveling, it really don’t matter, you know, so it sounds good. 

Some people called me from Salt Lake City yesterday afternoon and told me about a wonderful opportunity they had to invest funds - - they wanted to know if I had any; and I told them, thank goodness, I was broke so I couldn’t invest in it.   They said I could put in a minimum of $5,000 or anywhere up and get 2 1/2% per week return - - that’s per week now, understand.  In other words $125. A week to get a return - - every week now - - they get paid weekly on this.  And then at the end of six months, they get 12% so it’d be another $600 come off of this.  So you get this for $125. A week for 26 weeks times 6 is $3250. You’d get back on the $5,000, plus your $5,000 back, ok? 

(You get that back?)

Oh yeah, you get the five grand back too.  So at the end of the month, you get $8,250 for you $5,000 investment.  Now a couple of people were selling their houses so they could go in heavy - - like for twenty five to fifty thousand. 

(They became trippers.)

They became trippers - - well, no they’re very voluntary - -  they was workin’ hard to get the funds so they could get into it.

Now they were highly suggestible, huh?  Some guy come along which we ordinarily - - in my terminology would call “the shil”.  So the shill went around and told the people that  he’d put in X number of dollars in this company down in Phoenix; and in six months he not only made this, he’d made a big bonus on it - - he claimed it was fantastic - - he got like some $50,000 back. 

Now of course, they couldn’t wait to get in on it.  Now if your goal was to “get rich and make a lot of money without working”, then you’d be highly suggestible. 

Now when I listened to this, I thought of a gentleman by the name of Ponzi who did a little game on people some number of years ago that he - - Mr. Ponzi offered fantastic returns on an investment; and he gave them to a number of people because he was keeping new people comin’ in - - as long as you had enough new ones coming in, why he could pay these fantastic returns on ‘em, right?

Now this guy could do this - - if he gets enough new people comin’ in, he could pay several of them; but then, of course, what happened?  

But meanwhile, your suggestibility would go wild and you’d go mortgage your house and get all the money you could get - - mortgage your apartment house and get all you can on it, borrow all you could from the relatives and whatever else to get in on this thing.  Now that is suggestibility, is that right?

But now he was a tripper - - they’re all trippers just wanting to get in on this.   Now I told them a gentle little story about Mr. Ponzi while I was talking to them; but they didn’t want to hear about Mr. Ponzi.  See, they figured that was - - well, you know, I was just an old kill joy and this was an opportunity of a lifetime to get in on a deal like this.  So - - they say - -  “there’s only a limited number of people they can accept as clients”.  You can understand how that works, right?

(Those that don’t have connections with the police.)

….or somethin’ - - somethin’ like that.  But anyway, they were very excited over their great game or as they saw it - - opportunity.  Now I would say that’s being highly suggestible, huh? 

Now it is said that a person is suggestible if they have some burning desire of some sort - - like to get rich or to have power or have ability, then they are highly suggestible.  Now if you were just a traveler, you wouldn’t be so suggestible.   You see the tripper is saying, “I wanna get it before you do.”  There's only a limited amount and I want to get it before you do.

(Um hum.)

(I think a lot of us would not have fallen for that - - that particular sham.)

Oh, I'm very sure of that, but there's a jillion other’s who would.

(Now somebody comes up with an idea that has a great deal of aspiration to it.  And they say, look, you know you're being an old fogey, don’t' you believe that X is unlimited, don't you believe you can get what you report.)

Yes.  We say what you can see clearly, X will do.  Now I can see clearly and I believe we've used that in almost every statement we have used, is that right?  Have you heard that?  Have you heard that?  Everybody else here heard - - I said what you can see clearly.  Now I cannot see how I can stand two elephants on one orange at one time, ok?  So I can't get that through my head.  So then I would say there's no use me talking about that X can manifest that. 

I don't see how I could have great sources of income without expendage of some effort of somewhat equal value to somebody else, ok?  I don't see that I am a special, privileged child of the universe; and that therefore, they're gonna break all the laws of balance in order to give me everything I want. 

Besides that I have seen a few kids that their parents gave them everything they wanted, everything they asked for; and they turned out to be messes, you know, I've seen that too. 

So I would think that all these statements get carried clear out of context very much like one I made one time that I am “free to experience whatever may arise in my way today.”
There was a bunch of people at the workshop that interpreted that to say, I am free to go out and cut a very wide swat - - which they were free to do, but there was a price to pay for it. 

So that's the way I see all the others.  There's a fallacy “I can't see clearly”.  I could dream up the words, Charles, you know, I could dream up all the words that I could just have all this fantastic thing - - all I got to do is make up my mind for it to do it.  But I can't make up my mind to certain things.  You see, I have never been able to make up my mind that a dead body is gonna get up and walk off.  Now I don't say it's impossible.  I said, I can't make up my mind to that yet.  Death looks awful fatal to me.  I haven’t figured out that its temporary.  Now if I could ever see it, I might could do that; but I can't see it clearly. 

(This cat that's runnin' this scam - - maybe he can see clearly how he's gonna get a whole bunch of money, huh?)

I'm sure he does, and he's offering a suggestion - - the others are not seeing clearly, but they're jumpin' at conclusions that because the shill came by and said so, that it's bound to be that way.

(Does “see clearly” mean it's real to you - - it’s without a doubt.)

It is without a doubt to me; and I can see kinda how the whole thing would fit together.  In other words, I can see how that that tape recorder is working.  I can kinda comprehend it.  I can't make the thing because I have no electronics skills, but I do understand the general wigitry of it, so I can see that it works.

(It fits into your idea of the scheme of things.)

It fits into the scheme of reality or scheme of probability or the scheme of possibility.  Now I said that I don't see, and I can't conceive in my head how I can get two elephants standing on one orange at one time.  In fact I can't see how I could have one balanced up on there without squishin' that orange. 

You know, it's like that guy came in and said to me one time when I was a kid that he would bet me a dollar that he could lay an egg on the floor and I couldn't smash it with the bottom of a bushel basket or a bushel measure - - steel one.  So I thought that was pretty far-fetched and was ready to go on that little score; but he went and laid the egg in the corner.  And I couldn't hit it with the bushel basket 'cause it wouldn't go in the corner, ok, it was round.  So there's certain things that just flat won't work; and I cannot try to make up my mind for the impossible. 

Now people send me lists of things they want that I can't see as being within the realm of possibility, so I lay those over on the corner of the desk and leave 'em there 'cause I don't work on those.  I have to be able to see clearly that such is “within the realm of nature” to say the least. 

I have found it very difficult to gather tomatoes off a cockle berry plant.  Now I got a great gob of cockleburrs; and I said well, I don't have any tomatoes - - why not?  Make up our mind to have the cockle berry plants bear tomatoes.  I don't buy that.

(Now you can see things clearly that I can't.)

That's possible and you can probably see some things clearly that I can't see - - I'm sure that you can - - a lot of 'em.

(It’ll happen for you if you can see them clearly.)

If I can really see them clearly, I think I could have a high degree of probability gettin' it there.  Now I have to look at it a little bit and be sure I'm seeing it clearly - - that I'm not dreaming in other words.

(If somebody else can see clearly how they can walk on water, just like somebody could see they can fly.)

That's right.  I can't see it, that's right.  I can see a guy here flyin' around on a kite; but you know, I haven't seen me flyin' on a kite yet because I don't feel that I'm quite able to get on that thing.  I can't see myself flyin' one of those kites off a cliff down here; so I don't do it, ok?  I have to wait until I can see it clearly. 

Now people can get carried away and dream up things that I don't feel was within the realm of probability like having two elephants stand on one orange.  I don't think they can do that, ok?  I don't agree that there is great limitations in what a human can do; but I also think that there is a limitation what I can see clearly yet; and I'm always workin' on expanding that; but I don't want to kid myself into seeing something being there that I can't see.   I'm just sayin' the words real nicely.  That answers your question as far as I'm concerned.

(So people call you and make requests, right?)

Well, shelter, cars, boys, girls, the works, I get asked for everything honey.  Doesn't make any difference.  If I can see it clearly, I'll work on it, but if I can't see it clearly, i just can't.  Some of them do get so unreasonable that I can't see that clearly - - pretty unreasonable to me.  'Course I can see that clearly.  Maybe they can't.  If they could see clearly, they'd already had it; so obviously it is a little difficult in seeing clearly some of the things that is requested; but we do take care of anything that I can see reasonably clearly, ok?  Enough that it don't look too fuzzy to me.  Ok?  Next question, comment.

(You mentioned balance a little while ago, and we've had a number of discussions on balance all of which tell me I can't see clearly very well.)

About balance, ok.

(One of the things you said about balance was if we really understood balance, we would act differently.)

Well, I 'spect that's probably right.  The law of four.  So balance takes in four aspects in the game of teeter totter - - the board, the sawhorse, little Joe sittin' on this end, and little Susie sittin' over here.  Now as long as all four of those are in a working balancing relationship, we have a game called teeter totter.  But if Susie jumps off and runs in the house to get a peanut butter sandwich, Joe hits the ground and the game’s over with.  If the board should break, the game's over with.  If the sawhorse should break in two in the middle, the game's over with.  So none of those could be called cause/effect. 

So again that is the initiative, the resistance, the form, the result.  So all four of those factors are there in the game of the teeter totter.

Here sits the earth down here as a resistance and it's projected the surface of the earth up here on a fine point so that it can have a fulcrum in which to have the game open.  So each of these four comes along in its own place and really the only one you have to do is that one. 

First you conceive of it and then you initiate the act.  So you can have a teeter board game going in a few minutes.  You can get the board and the sawhorse and a couple of people on there; and you got the game going.  Now balance is the law of the universe, so what Joe does here will throw Susie up here; but Susie gets up there so far, she's gonna come back down to balance that thing; and Joe will go back up here - - so balancing, I suppose, would be a better word.  Charles.

Balancing is the thing that we see going on that keeps the play we call life, nature, activity going on.  One thing comes along and throws it out of balance a second; but then it can only go so far, and it starts balancing again.  So I think possibly I would be more accurate if I said "balancing" is the law of the universe.  It's not always in balance, but it's can only go to a certain point and then it starts a reaction to balancing it back to it again and that goes on; so we see the flow of all nature on this planet going on in its balancing.

(And the perception of those works going on is kinda useful, isn’t it?)

I would say I would like to see what's being initiated, uh huh; and a lot of times initiation is going on around us and we don't see it.  That's part of that seeing what's going on here, you know - - that a bunch of people get together and start a given thing and initiation goes on on a grand scale sometimes.  But it'll go on through these and balancing will be the thing that goes on.  So I say “balancing” is more accurate than the word “balance” because in balancing, it’s always in motion going toward.  This will throw it out and then it comes back.

(You said balance is a verb not a noun.)

It could be.  I don't know the difference between nouns and verbs.

(Verb is a process.)

Ok, it's a process.  Balancing is a process, ok; and so balancing is a process that's going on that we call nature, life, etc. going on all the time.  I think the thing that keeps living process going on is balancing all the time - - the whole thing's about to fall apart all the time anyway.

(Sometimes when you see a child, your child doing something that seems to be initiating something; and maybe you haven't, at that point, seen the value of it, but there is going to be a balancing that’s going on.)

Oh yeah, the balancing will go on regardless of whether you or the kid either one thinks about it, ok? 

(So it's possibly just as well to leave it alone.)

More than likely, unless it looks like he's gonna hurt you - - he's gonna do you in, then you do something about it, ok before he gets you down. 

(In this workshop, can you describe the balancing that’s going on?)

Well, I believe maybe I could.  I have initiated certain ideas.  There's been certain resistances to them.  They're gradually fitting into a certain form and the result; we'll see what comes out of it later.

(What kind of result?)

Well, there’s various resistances, some were inattentive, some were attempting to interpret, some were attempting  to get me to elucidate and so forth and so on.  There was various and sundry - - minor - - none of them heavy; but there was always a certain resistance.  You see, I can sit over here and look at Ann and start really watching her and she's there making notes and fixin' things up; and I've been talking on for five minutes and she hasn't heard a word - - you know, so I’m goin' on.  I can look over here somewheres else and something else is going on here there and elsewhere. 

So these four things are always going on in any circumstance.  It goes on in your building where you work and everywheres else - - in your household where you live and building your houses that you're gonna sell.  All of these come along.  And balancing is the process by which things do get done.

(And the resistance that  comes?)

The resistance is usually time - - one of the most common ones anyway - - and the only one that you really would be bothered with.  So it takes time from when you conceive of the plot of ground and the drawings for the building and getting your contractors together and getting the materials together and getting the house sold is a certain process; but it all goes as a balancing process.  And it all comes out in balance as to how much attention you pay to all the little details, is that right? 

(Right.  And I see, too, already that if you don't set a certain date, things have to be finished, time sure does go by faster.)

Oh yes, they sure do.  So you gotta have penalties after a certain date or else there’s  all kinds of reasons why it can't be done this week.  There's a storm down in the ocean or a strike in New York or one of the men got the flu - - I know 'em all.  There's a jillion of 'em.  Yes?

(I'm still trying to understand resistance a little more - - so take the same workshop and supposing every one becomes  bored.)

Vim, vigor and vitality?  Why then we would have sat down and had us a party and drink coffee and had a good time, I wouldn't have put out any energy and neither would have anybody else.

(Would you not have initiated anything, or would there have been no resistance.)

There wouldn't have been any reason to initiate if everybody came in like I wanted them to leave.  I thought it would have been fun.  That's what I was wishin' for with my lazy streak. 

(I concluded you had a workshop; and if you initiated something, there'd be a different form of resistance.)

I would usually initiate something - - there would be a little resistance before I get through.

(Can you describe what kind of resistance that would be?)

Well, one, I'm always attempting to do is to get somebody to violently disagree with me - - try to prove me wrong.  I'm always inviting somebody to prove me wrong.  You see, that's a lot of fun when somebody sets out to prove me wrong.  I'm always looking for that.  In fact, I ask it over and over.  Have you heard me ask that in a workshop?  You've been to a few of them - - you've heard that haven't you Neal?  You've been to a few.  One should not accept it, prove me wrong.  Somebody challenge me.

(Why.)

So I got a challenge and gives me something to do. Otherwise I just sit here and build my little fence, and I put everything in there and I close all the gates up and I say, “Well now it looks all right to me, let's see if somebody might alter or challenge that.”  I like to see if the horse can get out and see if she comes back with more or something different.  

Now I always like a challenge on these things.  I like somebody to say, hey wait a minute - - you know - - there's no such thing as a not i - - prove it to me. There's no such thing as X.  Where'd you dream all that junk up, you know.  Then I would have some real challenge to my abilities.  I can get in there and demonstrate it maybe a little bit then, Phil. 

Anybody else got anything at this moment, or is the afternoon blahs got everybody just a little bit. 

(Can you say what a “being” is?)

A “being” - - that is something that's alive.  Now the question is.  What is alive?  That's a being.  That's one of those circle questions and I can't get anywhere's with it.  A “being” is something or a life form that is “be - - ing”.  And we're all
“be - - ing” at the moment.  The ones of us that's not trying to become something.  X in its expression of awareness function and motor function is “being”, uh huh.  That is
“be - - ing”; and it's not trying to become anything, it's just being and that's it. 

(So as the awareness function and X, I am a being.)

I would say that is absolutely correct.

(..And I am X?)

You are X.  In other words, you wouldn't be sittin here talking.

(X?)

Well, it just made itself a motor function.  I could see it.  And it has an awareness function which is talking to me; but X is the one that has those, and I'd say X is probably invisible; but it's functions are are very visible, ok?  Its functions are visible.  Ok?  Next question?

(What did you say about already having…..?)

I said that I already have everything that I could possibly want so I don't see any rhyme or reason for me to want anything for myself; but then I'm free to do about anything that comes along.  But I already have it.  I have food, clothing, shelter, transportation, interesting things to do, interesting people to be around - - the whole bit - - I've got it all.

(All right.)

So I really don't want anything.

(I don't have everything that I want.)

You don't.  You don't have food, clothing, shelter, transportation, interesting things to do, interesting people to be......

(I have probably had everything that I want - - you know, I’ve had it.)

You've had all of that stuff ten times over.

(But there is still - - I still want the whole thing all over.........)

Well, I settled what I wanted years ago, Pearl.  I said what I wanted years ago.  I want everything, but not all at once because I wouldn't know what to do with it, ok?

(Yes.)

So let's just settle it easy.  We want everything, but not all at once.  Is that right?  You want it all, but not all at once 'cause you couldn't handle it all at once, is that right?  So I just want to continue a flow of everything.

(I can handle quite a bit more.)

Ok.  We'll we'll try to see that you get all you can handle this week. 

(Cute.)

You’ll have to take your extra special pep pills for the week's over Pearl. 

(I’m workin’ at it.)

Ok, next question.  Pearl wants everything - -so's all the rest of us but not all at once.  Right Robin?  You want everything, but not all at once, ok. 

Who's bringing up the next subject for discussion? 

(You mentioned earlier that you like challenges.)

Uh huh?

(All right, as a traveler, the traveler would be constantly having challenges.)

Every day of the week - - several times a day.

(And all that kind of stuff - - whereas the tripper would have  tunnel vision and he has...)

...he has nothing but frustrations where the other one has challenges and opportunities, ok?

(All right and would you say, then, that routine, which is like going from point A to point B....)

...day after day

(Wash and eat and do this and do that - - that all of that is like the A, B - - that's the tripper.)

Right.

(So then would it follow to break up the routine…)

Well, if it was just broken up routine for the sake of breaking up routine, it would probably just turn into another form of a trip; but when really ..what it amounts to is I'm free to experience whatever comes along here. 

So I come along here and there's an old man layin' side of the road, I say, “Well, can I take care of it.”  Somebody else says, my cow got out of the fence - - let's stop and drive it back in the pasture and help patch the fence, what's the difference, you know.  It's no big shake.  Somebody else's old chicken run across the road, why go and keep her over there - - whatever - - it just really doesn't matter.  The point is that the person is not makin' things important, and is free to  take care of what's in front of him at the moment. 

I would say it is a comprehension rather than a practice,  because if you started practicing on it, I think it's a form of a trip again.  You know, it's to accomplish a certain goals Miss Margaret.  And I think it is really when I comprehend that, “Well, I'm at a party and I'm being what to me is being a good guest; and I can be it right here diggin' the ant hill out so the ants can have a little freer time down there”.  It’ll do it just as well as I could get to Biloxi this afternoon.  Ok? 

(Bob would you say that again, I didn’t get it.)

A tripper is a person who is gettin' from point A to point B and sees everything that might occur along the way as interference or an obstruction and is very impatient with it and a traveler .....

(…..a person who is going from point A to point B can see........)

.....all possible little things that occur along as obstructions or interferences.  And the traveler is just travelin' and if the little dog's got a goat head in his foot, well let's stop and get the goat head out, what the hell, you know. 

(That sounds like a destinator to me because the tripper would be one who would have the trip was “the thing”.)

Well, no he's tryin to get to the end; but we will say a destinator, ok?  So Charles wants him renamed.  (Laughter)  Nobody knows how to spell it Charles, that's the whole trouble. 

(Destinator?)

Yeah, a destinator.  He's trying to get to a destination.  Charles, I only use words I can spell; and that's very few.  They got to be simple. 

(So what’s the difference between a tripper a destinator.)

Same difference, he just wants to rename it because he thinks……

(The tripper is not enjoying the trip.)

Neither is the destinator - - they're seeing everything as an aggravation, annoyance - - a little traffic jam; and they just jump up and down and scream all this kind of stuff, ok? 

(But the traveler just sees it as a challenge, right?)

He just takes whatever comes along because he's not in a hurry to get anywhere's cause he's really not going anywhere.  He's just on a given road and that's where he's gonna spend his time - - on that road.  It think it's kind of fun myself. 

That particular subject always brings up lots of people talking about it for weeks on end.  I brought it up fairly early in the talk down in Lake Whitney and all questions from thereon was not about the talks I'd been giving, but about that one.  They all kept going back to it.  I think that kind of fascinated those folks a little bit, so it is possibly as we've said, every talk is complete even though we only spend a few minutes; and I feel that that is - - it covers everything we ever need to talk about actually.  This guy's in a very big hurry and this one is in infinity.  He is in a timeless state.  What difference does it make whether he's there anyway?  Ok?

(Ok.  When you start to see something in a new light, or in another way....)

You choose to look at it in another way.....right.

(…in another way.  My not i's come up and start suggesting that........)

.....that you are taking some drastic step and it's bound to lead into great trouble.

(Oh no, that's not it.)

Ok, what are they suggesting? 

(… it’s more like the ones that you're gonna lose it or you're gonna forget it.)

Oh yeah.

(And they try to make an ideal out of it.)

Right.  Make a point about it every minute.  That's right. 

(You lost it or you goofed….)

Something happened.  In other words you're not doing it right?

(Yeah.)

That's they're favorite occupation as we have said - - just drop it.  They're boring and that they always lie and that they always say derogatory things.  So they said, "You'll forget it."  That's saying something derogatory about you.  Forget it, don't pay any attention to them.  Just let 'em talk.  You can't control not i's.  You can ignore 'em, ok?  Do you recall that? 

(I recall that.)

Ok, Pearl did you have your finger up back there?

(Yeah.)

Ok. I'm listenin'

(Back to the traveler.)  (Laughter)

You're back to the traveler, ok, let's do the traveler bit again.

(What does it take to become a traveler?)

A certain comprehension of what one is and what's goin' on here.  We said there was a big party goin' on here and I'm a privileged invited guest here, so I'd like to travel around over the estate and be what to me is a good guest.  To me being a good guest is to be considerate, to be harmless and to make some insignificant little contribution here and there.

(Ok.)

That's what the traveler does.  He just travels around and makes a little insignificant contribution, is considerate of the environment, the Host, the estate and the other guests and nature if you want to put that one in. 

(It seems to me that to do that, that would require a great amount of tranquility, a natural ebullience joyousness that's already there.  But you'd get in touch with it.)

I believe you are somewheres near correct.  I said it was a realization.  And I did not say that it was something you could go out and accomplish.  It is a realization.  It is realizing what you are, where you are, what's goin' on here and what you can do.  It is the epitome of self remembering.

(I have done a number of things starting with this doing whatever I did to get to there finally culminating in psycho analysis; and it was of some benefit, you know - - I was able to stand up and say look, ___)

I always said you had it; and you just missed it. 

(Yeah, and then after that, I did Est.  And you know, I hear a whole bunch of noise and a horrible statements about Est.  But for the first time I had an experience that I was something other than this person who had to talk to authorities and take classes and a place inside me that was really very sweet….)

Right, very you.

(A neat little island.)

And that's all we ever talk about that you really are a super person and all you gotta do is to throw away all the junk.

(Yeah.)

(Well, but you see, I never had experienced that super unit.)

Uh huh.

(But once somewhere in those 28 hours, I did.)

Well, good, I'm glad.  I'd like for you to keep on doing it every 48 hours.

( I’m bringing these things up because from what I ve read, there is one way…..)

Oh no, I don't think so.

(There are some ways that ....)

No, there is two subjects in the teaching material  Let me clarify a minute, ok, and it’ll not only be for you but it will be for everybody here.  There’s two subjects in it - - self knowing which is to be aware of all the conditioning all of us have had that made us feel limited and worthless and necessary to believe and do as we’re told by the authorities and to improve ourselves and to find what’s to blame and all that, ok? 

The other subject is self remembering.  Now we say the first subject is a very limited one.  It don’t take very long to get it down pat.  And then self remembering is something one lives. 

Now we say that remembering could be put in these broad terms, ok?  What I am, where I am, what’s going on here and what I can do.  Now there is no way, there is noone says you fit this little standard.  There’s nothing to join.  You can’t be orthodoxy or unorthodox in it.  Everybody uses it the way they want to.  We talk on many different subjects and if I may be so bold as to say so, they all say the same thing. 

We said we could just use this and nothing else but, and I would be covering all the self remembering part - - not the self knowing part. 

Self knowing is included in the little picture of man and everybody does it in their own way to recognize what they’re doing, what’s going on within themselves - - what the conflicts are, etc. and that there is not any validity to it.   In other words, there’s nothing that says, you are limited or I’m limited or anything else except the conditioning.  Now we were all taught that, ok? 

That’s the only two subjects I ever talk about, self knowing and self remembering. 

(Do you have any basic gripes if one takes EST and has an incredible…?)

I haven’t any gripe if they took EST or Challenge or Silva Mind Control or anything else.  If they find any freedom in it, I say glory be.  I have no objections to anybody going to anything.

(Well, I don’t know about freedom, but some point…..)

….Or anything else.  I don’t care what they find.  If they find it of value to ‘em, I have no objections to what anybody goes to.  What’d you go to last weekend Neal?

(Nathanial Brandon.)

Nathanial Brandon - - go to Nathanial Brandon - - go to anybody where you can find something that rings a bell for you.  I have no fault against anybody - - I have no grief to carry for anybody, ok?

(Then came my guru, ___.)

And I have no objections to him or anybody else, ok?
I said I have absolutely no objections.  I carry no grief for nobody.  I’m not going to start teaching anybody else’s program because I got one of my own.  And I don’t think they need me or I need them; but I think everybody is workin’ out here to try to be of some value that a human being can realize a little more of what they are.  I have no objections to anybody goin’ to anything.  I don’t fight nothin’ nor nobody - - I’m a peaceful soul.

(What did you say about meditation?)

What did I say about it?  I said if you do it, be sure you know you’re doin’ it.   I’ve seen a lot of pseudo things pass for meditation.  I’ve never said anything about meditating.  I meditate all day long with my eyes open and kickin’ and runnin’.

(I’m aware, but that couldn’t be meditation.)

I’m not knockin’ any kind or anybody’s programs; and I certainly have never suggested that anybody not go to one, ok?

(Ok.)

If you find a new one tomorrow - - be happy to go to it,  becuse I have no objections ‘cause I don’t own anybody.  I don’t have anything for you to join or anything for you to be orthodox about or anything of the sort.  So I have nothing to consider about anything.

(To me that’s a covert way of saying; and I apologize if I’m  having a not I attack.)     (Laughter)

M, m, m, m, ok.

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